Blog run by 12 yer olds? That is Wikipedia, not VW.

Troll_2.0

They still run all the print *and* TV media. But, in a sense you're right, they are dead, and ironically, Wikipedia has played a part in killing them.

And that's why this silence, business-as-usual, and Valleywag is a blog run by 11 year olds strategy, is eventually going to do Wikipedia in.

There's what, 500 some odd members of Congress, almost 600? With the viral nature of this story, just a matter of time before someone who wants some more votes decides to go after the website which does more to support, than remain neutral, to pedophiles. And is pedophilia really anything that anyone can be neutral about?

WilliamMarkFelt

NYT is old media, a dinosaur, who cares about them anyway?

Troll_2.0

You mean those bums are marching today?

5,007 views for this article so far. Along with the several thousand other views of the other articles about Moller, I think this means one huge PR nightmare.

Sure, the "New York Times" hasn't bitten, and that's probably part of the reason for Jimbo/Gardner/McNamee/
deafening silence on this issue. They're thinking this is just Valleywag, a gossip rag run by 11 year olds, so if we ride out the storm, this whole issue will go away.

This may have been true with all the other antics we've read about here in these pages, but I really don't think so with this issue. With this many views, and this much inevitable word of mouth, if this story doesn't have NYT legs, it sure as hell does with the peeps. And pedophilia does not mesh well at all with the average websurfer who has no idea who any of these people are, like Jimbo, or Zuck, or Jerry Yang, and barely know who Steve Jobs, and only know that Bill Gates is the richest guy in the world.
And this is where Wikipedia has a huge problem, and with every day of silence, the grave gets about 1 foot deeper.

WilliamMarkFelt

jasonjr

Personally? I hate Illinois Nazi's. But if they want to march, and let everyone know what fools they are, let them knock themselves out.

The more junk Erik, Jimmy and Sue spout, the better the world knows them and their dirty deals.

Troll_2.0

What about this issue of free speech? That's still a splinter in the center of my soft palate.

Here's my take. If neo-Nazis want to march down the streets of a Jewish suburb, they have the right to do this, and I'm part Jewish too.

But, I sure don't want these neo-Nazis
running *anything* important, and they don't. Most of them are unemployed, or have menial jobs at best. And I sure don't want them editing the Auschwitz, or Adolph Hitler articles on a website that's killing the entire print media with many millions of visitors a day.

Same thing with Erik Moller. If he wants to write things in favor of adult/child sexual contact, hey, in a free society, it's his right, he can knock himself out. However, it is *my right* to be extremely alarmed that Mr. Moller has a position of significant power at this very same website that's turning into the vanguard for the dissemination of information, and he edits articles on which he clearly does not have a neutral point of view, on issues that walk the tight rope of legality and morality.

Now, as I've said before, and I'll say again, if anyone, ANYONE, doubts my beliefs in free speech, thinks I have a personal vendetta against Mr. Moller, a bad attitude, on a witch-hunt, if you just keep the ad hominems to a minimum, I'm more than happy to listen to you and admit I'm wrong.

WilliamMarkFelt

Found that quote in a bit on Carolyn Doran, seems to fit here too.

Troll_2.0

Troll_2.0

People such are yourself, who are NOT offended by support of pedophilia, that's a **nice** demographic?

"Watch yourself, Thomas, you're playing to a nasty demographic with this kind of article. What goes around, comes around."

Furthermore, what is this supposed to mean? Does this mean that OT doesn't give his articles a lot of thought? That he needs you to remind him of the possible ramifications? What exactly does the "what goes around...." mean?

WilliamMarkFelt

Ah, I hate free speech - the same fall back argument as using the word "witch hunt"

Well, as the old saying goes from high school civics classes, one does not have the freedom to yell "fire" in a crowded theater house. Furthermore, if people harbor certain racists beliefs, it's common sense to keep those opinions to yourself, as it's too controversial an issue. Pedophilia can perhaps make racism looks as controversial as a discussion about your favorite kind of ice cream.

And that's how people get when it comes to defending children from the con-artists who try to take advantage of them. Erik has the freedom to write his opinions, and we the readers have the right with react with distaste.

And, I don't know if you've thought about this, by implication, you're condemning my right to write my opinions on the subject.

As for vague death threat? Then if you see a death threat in that, then you must certainly see Erik Moller's support illegal activity against children. Why don't you get charged up about that instead?

I think 99% of the people who have children, and read this, would think, write, the exact same thing.

WilliamMarkFelt

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Pikers

"People should have a right to believe, and say, what they want."

They do, but not the right to do what they want. And we have the right to point out that they're wrong

Dweezil

Watch yourself, Thomas, you're playing to a nasty demographic with this kind of article. What goes around, comes around.

People should have a right to believe, and say, what they want. I don't even know what this guy said but he shouldn't be denied employment on the basis of his personal opinion. I thought the freedom to think and say what you want was one of the things that makes America great.

And Troll 2.0, that's a nice use of your right to free speech to make vague death threats about another person's use of their right to free speech. Hypocrite much?

eth0

So Troll, I take it you'd recommend against Herr Moller being a youth leader for your kids?

Herr Moller is an interesting mix of ideas. He finds Americans barbaric and backwards, including your free ownership of the 12 gauge. However, the moral and legal prohibitions against adult/child sexual interactions is "puritanical," and "hysterical." So self defense is wrong, but molesting the defenseless is right. Can you make sense of that?

WilliamMarkFelt

Buddy of mine can't believe how deadly I am with clays with the lowly 20. He is spot on with a 12ga and is actually smaller built.

But I digress, 20ga upside Mein Herr Dutchman's head and/or crotch, makes no diff to me. Load of #5 pellets.

Troll_2.0

Somebody please think about this man's rights. He is just trying to help students understand that what's sickening and illegal today was commonplace in society 1000 years ago. Ah, if only we could give him a time machine.

Bornean