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<p><a href="http://www.fbi.gov/innocent.htm">[www.fbi.gov]</a></p>
<p>I'm certain the FBI will be very interested in the long precedent of providing internet safe-haven to sexual deviants by Wales on Wikipedia, and Wikia too for that matter.</p> <p>WilliamMarkFelt</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>I have repeatedly told Wales (since july 2006) and others (like Wikipedia's Fred Bauder) about the (self-identified and active) pedophiles on Wikipedia. Jimbo and co really don't give a shit.</p>
<p>Here's a few emails:</p>
<p>-----------------------<br>
(July 2006, from Xed to Wales)<br>
Wales</p>
<p>[...]<br>
I notice [..] the user<br>
"Freakofnurture", a proud pedophile -<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pedophilia_userbox_wheel_war/Evidence#User:Freakofnurture">[en.wikipedia.org]</a></p>
<p>When managing an encyclopedia, it must be hard to<br>
decide who is and isn't worth keeping as an editor.<br>
Should it be the user who points out the projects<br>
shortcomings, or the user who is a pedophile and has a<br>
picture of a cock on his user page? For you, the<br>
priorities are clear.</p>
<p>Xed</p>
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(August 2006, from Xed to Wales)</p>
<p>Wales</p>
<p>It is very disquieting that an owner of a website<br>
would allow pedophiles who have bragged about their<br>
proclivities to operate openly on their website.<br>
What's more disturbing is that the said owner would<br>
act in co-operation with a pedophile to harass a<br>
critic of the site.</p>
<p>I request the following actions to be performed with<br>
immediate effect [,,,]<br>
1. Banning of self-identified pedophiles on Wikipedia<br>
2. A public apology from you for knowingly allowing<br>
such people to operate on Wikipedia<br>
[...]<br>
Yours<br>
Xed</p> <p>XedMac</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://valleywag.com/388503/wikipedias-porn+loving-no-2-and-his-abiding-concern-for-the-children#c5610160">WilliamMarkFelt</A>: "Long, long, LONG winded diatribes to show off their proficiency in English, long long LONG winded reminders of how they created Wikipedia, hobnob with Bono, and therefore the coolest guy on the planet."</P>
<P>Yep peeps like that make me wanna just ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ</P> <p><a href="n/a">Troll_2.0</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@Troll_2.0  You know, there are at least two people in the world who love, who will shove down your throat till their hand comes out the other end, how smart they are.  Those two people are Erik Moller and Jimmy Wales.  Long, long, LONG winded diatribes to show off their proficiency in English, long long LONG winded reminders of how they created Wikipedia, hobnob with Bono, and therefore the coolest guy on the planet.</p>
<p>Well, here's a thought - Marc Andreesen, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Steve Balmer, Jerry Yang, Larry Page and Sergei Brin, are all really smart guys, but you don't read about their incomprehensible, bizarre continuous fuckups in the pages of Valleywag.  It's all more or less normal stuff with them.</p>
<p>Oh no, but not Moller and Wales.  Nothing even remotely normal about them.</p>
<p>And to all you that think a snarky post like this is trollish - sometimes fair and balanced means you don't say what you're really thinking.  And I know all you fair and balanced, mature, above the mud-slinging Wikipedia types, have had the verrrry same thoughts.</p>
<p>So there's an old adage about protecting your reputation with your life, as it's really all you have. Well Moller's and Wales's infinite hubris has really put the ole kyebosh on that.  Valleywag is as viral as HIV, and with all these stories, then word of mouth, Wales and Moller can fuggetaboutit.  They both are contemptuous of the Bible, but the Bible has some wisdom about hubris. Hubris is a form of stupidity.</p>
<p>OK, letterrrrr rip for how mean I am about NAMBLA Moller and fuck-Larry-Sanger-in-the-ass-with-a-rusty-sewerpipe<br>
-Wales</p> <p>WilliamMarkFelt</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c5604777">michaellamb</a>: Commie LibTard wiki editors make porn for kiddies and schools, they have no taste or scruples as such. Feebs (FBI) finally take note</p> <p><a href="n/a">Troll_2.0</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>I can't read all that stuff rachel wrote, 100 word version pls</P>
<P>PS that pic of muller is hot</P> <p><a href="n/a">michaellamb</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <title><![CDATA[Wikipedia's porn-loving No. 2 and his abiding concern for the children]]></title>
		    <link><![CDATA[http://valleywag.com/388503/wikipedias-porn+loving-no-2-and-his-abiding-concern-for-the-children#c5603456]]></link>
		    <description><![CDATA[<div class="comment-video-thumb"><a class="vlink" href="javascript:toggleVideoComment('')"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi//1.jpg" /></a><br /><a id="ylink_" href="javascript:toggleVideoComment('')">+ Watch video</a></div><P>I've been asked to weigh in with my views on this, so here goes.</P>
<P>As one of the most public and ardent defenders of free speech and the First Amendment (remember, I was one of the very first to defend Don Imus, nationally, on-air), I have no problem with a kid seeing a picture of a dick or a tit. I really don't. Where the Wikipidiots and that entire ridiculous website/operation lose me is with graphic pictures of guys buggering each other without it being clearly labelled and controlled as an "adult oriented website" over which parents can control content via the Parental Control Toolbar, etc.</P>
<P>It's not up to the Wikipidiots to decide whether someone's child is ready to have the "dudes mounting dudes" or "the joys of tittyf*cking" discussion. It's up to the parent.</P>
<P>As for the kiddie porn images on Wikipedia, and the Wikipidiots who defend this as "free speech" - you have to be pretty far removed from civil society and its norms to ever try to rationalize such a thing.</P>
<P>Liberals are great at rationalizing things into mass societal regression. To wit: The $9m/year program in Canada to provide junkies with *free heroin* in a misguided attempt to *get them OFF heroin!* (A joke of a program started by the federal Liberals and hopefully soon to be ended by the now-in-power federal Conservatives.)</P>
<P>As people who have read anything I've written over the course of my career ( <A href="http://www.rachelmarsden.com/">[www.rachelmarsden.com]</A> ) can attest, I'm one of the least politically correct and most aggressive freedom of speech defenders in today's media.</P>
<P>What we have here with Wikipedia, however, from people (like myself and other with the misfortune of being included in this joke of a website against our repeatedly expressed will being constantly libeled by 13-year old Wikipedia "administrators", to a large segment of Wikipedia "community" (read: cult) members who believe that kiddie porn constitutes "freedom of expression", is a complete disconnect from society and its norms. This isn't progress - it's sociopathy.</P>
<P>I am considering a more in-depth analysis of this issue for the purpose of publication (ie. newspaper/magazine). If you're reading this and are an interested publication, feel free to contact me at rachel@rachelmarsden.com</P><div id="yvid_" class="comment-video" style="display:none"><object width="450" height="357"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/&autoplay=1" /><param value="transparent" name="wmode" /><embed width="428" height="357" wmode="transparent" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/&autoplay=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" /></object></div></embed> <p><a href="http://www.rachelmarsden.com">Rachel Marsden</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Children seeing porn "Wikipedia's inner circles have been taken over by an extreme cadre of
advocates of 'free culture' whose beliefs boil down to not having a
problem with children seeing porn."

This seems to have been written by someone who knows very little about
either children or porn. Like most things in the real world, there are
no clear lines when it comes to what constitutes porn and at what age
(if, indeed, age is the best measure)  someone instantaneously becomes
an adult. What is very clear is that children have always been exposed
to sexual content at some point in their development, whether visual
or not. It's a peculiarly prudish position that suggests that, for
example, adolescents are not sexual beings--and a position that leads
to demonstrably stupid public policy, like "abstinence education."

You can be against child pornography and still believe that an
encyclopedia can, and should, include sexually explicit content.
Particularly today, when in some parts of the US they have decided to
regress to the dark ages, content that serves to educate children
about topics like sex (and evolution, and other stuff "beyond
belief"), is an important social resource.

Oh, and {needs citation}; WorldNetDaily is about as reliable as the
Weekly World News.
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Is that JimbHo and Rachel?</P> <p><a href="n/a">Troll_2.0</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@troll_2.0</p>
<p>yeah, dookey breath, check the comments again, you big poopy eater!</p> <p>WilliamMarkFelt</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c5594871">WilliamMarkFelt</a>: check the comments again, moron.</p> <p>fedbait</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://valleywag.com/388503/wikipedias-porn+loving-no-2-and-his-abiding-concern-for-the-children#c5594871">WilliamMarkFelt</A>: Libtards resort to Ad Hominem attacks when they can't make a point</P> <p><a href="n/a">Troll_2.0</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://valleywag.com/388503/wikipedias-porn+loving-no-2-and-his-abiding-concern-for-the-children#c5594973">WilliamMarkFelt</A>: children also like McDonald's. Not giving it to them, that stuff is almost as discusting as Erik.</P> <p><a href="n/a">Troll_2.0</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://valleywag.com/388503/wikipedias-porn+loving-no-2-and-his-abiding-concern-for-the-children#c5594567">fedbait</A>: <BR>"Ann Coulter look like a Liberal,"</P>
<P>Got something against Marsden?</P>
<P>"drinking soy milk early in a child's life increases the chance that they will become homosexual."</P>
<P>Mamma gave you a bunch, eh?</P></BR> <p><a href="n/a">Troll_2.0</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@troll_2.0</p>
<p>Hey, if the children wanted it, then it's OK, so what's the big deal?  According to Erik Moller that is....</p> <p>WilliamMarkFelt</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c5594675">TeenageCaveman</a>: I'm  pretty sure that the Christians are going to pray that the FBI makes Wikipedia go away.  Hope you have a chance to read up on "irony" while the site is still around...</p> <p>ohnothimagain</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@fedbait</p>
<p>So you get a resounding bitch slapping <br>
here <a href="http://valleywag.com/372140/erik-mller-no-2-at-wikipedia-a-defender-of-pedophilia">[valleywag.com]</a></p>
<p>So naturally, you decide to forget about it and move on to Owen Thomas now.</p> <p>WilliamMarkFelt</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P><A href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/interpol_manhunt">[news.yahoo.com]</A></P>
<P>One of Erik's Bro's?</P> <p><a href="n/a">Troll_2.0</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://valleywag.com/388503/wikipedias-porn+loving-no-2-and-his-abiding-concern-for-the-children#c5594314">ohnothimagain</A>: What? Are the Christians going to pray really hard over Wikipedia until the Devil goes away? I'm pretty sure Wikipedia has more to fear from the FBI...</P> <p>TeenageCaveman</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Way to go, Owen -- relying on World Net Daily for support; a website that makes Ann Coulter look like a Liberal, and has published articles in the past about how drinking soy milk early in a child's life increases the chance that they will become homosexual.</p> <p>fedbait</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>I'm afraid that's it for Wikipedia. The Devil's got 'em, and the Christians are coming to the rescue.</p> <p>ohnothimagain</p>]]></description>
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