Internet Explorer 8 will drive you nuts -- the 25-word version - Valleywag Comments

Internet Explorer 8 will drive you nuts -- the 25-word version

ifstone — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:58:01 PDT

The foundation of the electronic economy is built on sand and designed by children.

@cowsandmilk: Yes, and what's so frustrating about "software engineering" is that sloppy specs are now the rule, not the exception. An entire generation has grown up that's never seen a rigorous spec.

And we're starting to see the opposite phenomenon of sites that were only tested with IE: sites that only get tested on Firefox ("It's following the standard!") and break with IE or Opera or iRider or Safari.

Over ten years ago, I remember thinking that the compatibility problems with IE and Netscape would eventually get sorted out.

ifstone

Internet Explorer 8 will drive you nuts -- the 25-word version

ThatKid — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:04:48 PDT

@Wabewalker: Pilgrim gets in some snide remarks as always, but that doesn't make him right.

ThatKid

Internet Explorer 8 will drive you nuts -- the 25-word version

Wabewalker — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:05:09 PDT

More importantly, read Mark Pilgrim’s response: Translation to English of Spolsky's 'Martian Headsets', which tears Spolsky so many new ones he’ll whistle in a strong breeze.

Sample line: “Hi, I’m Web Developer Barbie. Pull my string and I say, ‘Standards are tough! Let's go shopping!’”

Wabewalker

Internet Explorer 8 will drive you nuts -- the 25-word version

Patricia2 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:28:07 PDT

Add it to the list...

Patricia2

Internet Explorer 8 will drive you nuts -- the 25-word version

matto — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:09:54 PDT

Still waiting for the zinger from Ted.

matto

Internet Explorer 8 will drive you nuts -- the 25-word version

sample032 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:08:14 PDT

"...all kinds of awful things..."

Honestly, no one could have foreseen Meebo.

sample032

Internet Explorer 8 will drive you nuts -- the 25-word version

Tim Faulkner — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:41:55 PDT

"f you had told Postel that there would be 90 million untrained people, not engineers, creating web sites, and they would be doing all kinds of awful things, and some kind of misguided charity would have caused the early browser makers to accept these errors and display the page anyway, he would have understood that this is the wrong principle, and that, actually, the web standards idealists are right, and the way the web "should have" been built would be to have very, very strict standards and every web browser should be positively obnoxious about pointing them all out to you and web developers that couldn't figure out how to be "conservative in what they emit" should not be allowed to author pages that appear anywhere until they get their act together."

Finest defense of Apple's iPhone developer program I've read... oh wait, that was about Internet Explorer?

Tim Faulkner

Internet Explorer 8 will drive you nuts -- the 25-word version

cowsandmilk — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:14:56 PDT

@Nathan: your knowledge of w3c spec is weak. Any browser vendor can tell you that the spec does not say what to do in many cases that are legal syntax, which leaves them guessing what is best to do.

cowsandmilk

Internet Explorer 8 will drive you nuts -- the 25-word version

Nathan — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:07:49 PDT

See, I have a problem with this statement because there IS one standard. The w3c publishes the spec. This is, and should be treated as 'The Standard'.

Nathan