<![CDATA[Valleywag: rockyou]]> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/valleywag.com.png <![CDATA[Valleywag: rockyou]]> http://valleywag.com/tag/rockyou http://valleywag.com/tag/rockyou <![CDATA[ Facebook widgetmaker RockYou coming to New York ]]> Sequoia-backed RockYou, the second-largest widgetmaker on Facebook, is considering plans to staff a New York office with 2-5 ad salespeople — copying a move made by archrival Slide two months ago. Funny, it normally doesn't take these two so long to imitate each other. It's a much-needed move: RockYou has a reputation for being slow to respond even when advertisers come knocking on its door. The startup has been content to coast on charging other appmakers for promotion, and we hear it's on track to take in $10 million in revenues this year. But at some point, the company will have to give up that business model — which strikes some as suspiciously pyramidal — for legit dollars from Madison Avenue.

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Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:20:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5039077&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ RockYou's plan: Hope Facebook widget users are in the mood to buy cars ]]> RockYou CEO and cofounder Lance Tokuda told Silicon Alley Insider the No. 2 Facebook widgetmaker plans start selling ads in traditional verticals, starting with classifieds-like car ads in its SpeedRacer widget. "He was scant on details," reports SAI. We think Tokuda and company will end up going forward with a different plan — maybe one that puts car-company brand advertising in its widgets. Because when's the last time anybody looked for a car to buy inside a racing videogame? (Photo by ninjapoodles)

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Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:00:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5038831&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Slide shows off the wealth at third anniversary ]]> Attention, rival Facebook-application developers: Slide has money in the bank, and your widget startup doesn't. Such was the unsubtle message of Slide's third anniversary, held last night at San Francisco's newly opened Contemporary Jewish Museum. It was the first tech-company party held at the sleekly modern spot, a block or so away from Second and Mission, San Francisco's new dotcom epicenter (Slide is based nearby, as are Yelp, Socializr, and others.) It was Slide's first big party since raising $50 million earlier this year. CEO Max Levchin has not let wealth go to his head — he was happily recounting how, when he first moved to Palo Alto, he had to fast-talk his way into an apartment lease from a paisan named Vinnie, since past startup failures had thoroughly wrecked his credit.

But he is not above a little strategic flaunting. Slide hired a Hollywood props firm to create life-sized versions of the sheep and other icons from its SuperPoke Facebook app, displayed like museum exhibits at the party. Could rival RockYou afford such a gratuitous show of wealth? With their latest funding round not quite locked down, unlikely. It's considered bad form to spend money while you're out raising more. And that was Levchin's point in throwing the party: It's not quite that he was spending money for the sake of spending money. He was spending money to show that he could.

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Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:20:00 PDT Owen Thomas http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5026442&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ RockYou spends around $3 million on two new profile decorators ]]> Widgetmaker RockYou acquired Pieces of Flair and Speed Racing, applications which, according to Facebook's directory, see about 432,042 and 190,441 daily active users. Terms of the deals weren't disclosed, but an industry insider says RockYou probably paid $1 million for Speed Racing and $2 million for Pieces of Flair. RockYou's most popular Facebook application, Super Wall, continues to lose traffic ever since Facebook turned off Super Wall's ability to send notifications to Facebook users.

Rival widgetmaker Slide went through similar traffic troubles a couple weeks ago when Facebook shut down its popular Top Friends app over privacy concerns. But in an earlier conversation, Slide executive Keith Rabois told us that in instead of buying up smaller apps, Slide is pursuing a different strategy:

Slide is in the business of building deeply engaging branded applications, at the same level of complexity and quality as a destination website, and is not interested in assembling a broad portfolio of light weight applications that are merely impression-drivers in an ad network.

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Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:20:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5024980&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Did Slide get rival RockYou's Facebook apps punished? ]]> Traffic to RockYou's popular Facebook widget Super Wall declined from 2.1 million to 600,000 daily users over the last few days, as Facebook blocked the widget from sending users notifications and messages, claiming RockYou had violated Facebook's privacy policies. RockYou CTO Jia Shen told Inside Facebook the allegations and their punitive response are "slightly debatable":

There are policies Facebook has issued, but there is always room for interpretation - and in light of current changes, the interpretation is a lot more stringent now in contrast to before.

Facebook's probably getting strict because its preparing for a relaunch of its design in July. Or — and this pure speculation — the third-party security firm Rock You's rival Slide hired to audit its own privacy might have gotten paid a little extra to take a close look at the competition and alert Facebook to any infractions. We wouldn't put it past hypercompetitive Slide founder Max Levchin and his crafty sidekick, Keith Rabois.

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Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:40:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5022922&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Slide's Top Friends back on Facebook after third-party privacy audit ]]> Facebook's third-most popular widget, Slide's Top Friends, is back after Facebook suspended it on June 26. (The offense: displaying Top Friends' users birthdays and other private information that wouldn't normally be visible on Facebook.) What took so long? Following the suspension, Slide wanted to call its apps the most secure on Facebook. To feel comfortable doing so, it contracted a third-party audit firm to review its applications and source code, Slide exec Keith Rabois told us. "The issue with Top Friends was fixed immediately," Rabois told us, "But as you might imagine an independent audit takes time to perform." Elsewhere on Facebook, Slide's privacy troubles seem to be spreading.

Slide rival Rock You's Super Wall saw traffic plummet 70 percent in the last week. InsideFacebook's Justin Smith speculates the dip is due to "some kind of punitive action against the application" over privacy concerns by Facebook, "perhaps by restricting feed access or by lowering the application’s notification or invitation limits." Another source tells us Flixster, the widgetmaker behind the Movies app, is going through similar punishment from Facebook over privacy concerns.

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Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:40:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5022570&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ A good way to tell RockYou you don't want to work there ]]> Wantrepreneur Kyle Brady got a call from a recruiter the other day, he writes on his blog. The recruiter wanted Brady to take a job with widgetmaker RockYou. We thought the skeptics among you might appreciate Brady's response:

When I politely declined, he wanted to know why, and I said something to the effect of 'I have no interest in working for companies whose sole existence is, and always will be, dependent on outside funding and other people’s platforms…not to mention those without any real business plans or actual use value.'His response? A resounding “I don’t think they would have gotten [insert large number here] of funding if they didn’t have value or a business plan.”

A smart move, especially as Facebook's ban of Slide's Top Friends application demonstrated how precarious the position of widgetmakers can be.

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Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:20:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5019846&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ $35 million round wasn't enough for RockYou ]]> Online widgetmaker RockYou is still looking for another $5 million to $15 million in funding, even after it took $35 million last week, at a $300 million valuation. That money was for doubling its staff, moving to a larger office in Redwood City and acquiring more widgets — those annoying add-ons to social-network profiles — for its portfolio, RockYou CTO and founder Jia Shen told Silicon Alley Insider — but it's not clear what the extra cash is for. In March, rumor had it RockYou's lastest funding round would set its value near $400 million, but thanks in part to a sliding ad market and a developer-unfriendly Facebook redesign, investors are said to have turned skeptical, sending the startup's paper value down by $100 million to $150 million.

Despite the blow from Facebook, Shen told SAI that unlike its closest competitor, Max Levchin's Slide, RockYou intends to keep developing for the platform. RockYou will need to — especially if developer Blake Commagere wrestles back control of his popular Vampires and Zombies apps. (Photo by califrayray)

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Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:20:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5017488&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Blake Commagere, RockYou ready to start biting over Vampires, Zombies, and Werewolves ]]> Blake CommagereWho owns the most annoying applications on Facebook? It seems incredible that anyone would want to take credit for Vampires, Zombies, and Werewolves, three of the most useless and yet most used applications on Facebook. And yet Blake Commagere, their developer, and RockYou, the company which markets those apps, and is happy to take credit for them when raising venture capital, are getting ready to deploy lawyers to settle the question over their ownership, we hear. Adonomics, the Facebook-app measurement firm, somewhat questionably estimates the three applications' value at $6.5 million — but attributes their ownership to Commagere.

Commagere, in the past, hasn't helped clarify matters. Last year, he told GigaOm that RockYou hosted his applications and provided some cross-promotion, then hastened to give the company more credit:

At this point I’ve partnered with them on the app and they are contributing far more resources than just infrastructure. It’s eased my pain of looking for more programmers and I’m now enjoying being able to focus more on the creative aspect of it.

He must now regret those comments, which won't help his case in breaking free from RockYou — if that's even his goal. Talk about your words coming back to bite you.

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Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:20:00 PDT Owen Thomas http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5017361&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Did Facebook's developer-unfriendly redesign cost RockYou $150 million? ]]> Despite the rumors, we all know widgetmaker RockYou isn't really worth $400 million. Not with the way ad buyers feel about spending on social media. We hear RockYou's latest investor, Doll Capital Management — which funded the company with another $35 million today — didn't value the company at $400 million either. "I believe the round was priced at $250 MM, and definitely not higher than $300 million to $325 million," an executive familiar with the deal says.

Why the $150 million drop from March to June? In part, RockYou founders Lance Tokuda and Jia Shen can blame Facebook's spam-killing redesign, which will eliminate some of the tools RockYou used to increase the popularity of its widgets. But our source takes a shot at Tokuda and Shen, too. He tells us:

The reason the round took so much time was because the valuation expectation was inflated. They had unrealistic expectations and "team" really matters when you raise capital.

Not that that's so unfair of a shot, considering Tokuda and Shen's lawsuit-wracked history.

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Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:00:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5014690&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ RockYou raises $35 million ]]> Widgetmaker RockYou raised $35 million from venture firm Doll Capital Management and private investors. Rumor has the deal setting RockYou's value near $400 million. RockYou created Facebook widgets SuperWall, Vampires, Likeness, X Me and claims 87.5 million visitors a month and 2.7 billion pageviews. Paying advertisers on RockYou include Paramount, New Line Cinema, Sony, Microsoft, and CBS. But they're not paying much.

Social media advertising revenues across the Internet totaled only $600 million in 2007. Webwide ad revenues generated $18 billion. Social media gets such a small piece because ad buyers consider its inventory market-saturated junk at worst and too difficult of an ad buy at best. Not even Google's figured the trick out yet on MySpace. Nobody told DCM cofounder and general partner David Chao, who "believes that RockYou will be the catalyst of this new global ecosystem that delivers next-generation advertisements through its innovative advertising network and social applications," according to the press release. (Photo by califrayray)

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Mon, 09 Jun 2008 08:20:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=5014586&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Bezos-backed Kongregate moves to Facebook platform ]]> JimGreer.jpgKongregate, a sort of YouTube for Flash games backed by Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos as well as Greylock Partners, will adapt some of its 4,500 games to Facebook's platform this week, Kongregate CEO Jim Greer told Inside Social Games. Kongregate makes money, or tries to, through advertising it shares with third-party game developers. Facebook doesn't need more gimmicky games, but with other widgetmakers like RockYou and Slide asking for (and getting) nine-figure valuations, don't expect the deluge to let up any time soon.

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Mon, 19 May 2008 08:40:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=391617&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ R is for Rose, who made Digg his toy ]]> Kevin Rose takes up 62 out of 294 pages in Sarah Lacy's Once You're Lucky, Twice You're Good, her new book about Web 2.0. That's less than I expected, since Rose was the coverboy for the BusinessWeek, co-written by Lacy, which launched her book. From the look of the index, not much time is spent on the women Rose is said to have "plowed through", as his friend Alex Albrecht once put it:

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Previously:

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Thu, 15 May 2008 07:00:00 PDT Owen Thomas http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=390662&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Hyped widgetmaker explains the widgetmaker hype ]]> Union Square Ventures funded Mark Pincus's casual games maker Zynga with $10 million not long after Max Levchin-founded widgetmaker Slide raised $50 million. Competitor RockYou wants a round of funding that would value it at $400 million. We like to scoff at these purveyors of online sheep-throwing tools, but that's serious scratch, people. In this excerpt from a longer interview with Kara Swisher, Zynga's Mark Pincus explains what widgetmakers see in our future — and shows us exactly what kind of pitch VCs are going for these days.

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Wed, 14 May 2008 09:20:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=390341&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ How widgetmakers hijacked Zuckerberg's Facebook redesign ]]> FBAnnotatedPreviewThumb.jpgFacebook's redesign — originally planned for early April, but delayed due to objections from widgetmakers like RockYou, Slide, and Zynga — is no longer a Mark Zuckerberg production. Third-party developers have hijacked it. A source close to the redesign process tells us "Facebook has made some changes to the original design, reflecting developer concerns." Below, screenshots of Zuckerberg's original plans for the redesign, annotated with the objections Facebook-application startups raised.

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  1. Current Facebook profiles allow users to move application boxes around their profile wherever they like. Zuckerberg's new profiles won't allow as much customization. "The question is whether users will like the return to a uniform "profile" that looks the same for everyone. I would bet that users actually prefer to customize the look & feel of their profiles," an exec at one of the major widgetmakers tells us.
  2. Zuckerberg wants to integrate the News Feed with the Wall. One developer tells us: "Mixing in 'X wrote on Y's funwall" along with more personal messages from friends may deteriorate the quality of the new wall/feed feature as a whole."
  3. Facebook widgetmakers hate the tabs on Zuckerberg's new profile. One complains that most apps will suffer due to them: "By default a few apps will get their own tab and most will be relegated to the 'more' tab." Another source tells us this is one area where Zuckerberg has definitely caved to developer pressure.
    Facebook has some improvements in the latest version which should mitigate some of this effect on developers. Nevertheless, a substantial fraction of traffic to developers' apps will likely be lost as navigation to new tabs is unlikely to equal current profile traffic.

  4. This search bar better not disappear like it does in the other profile preview. If it does, one developer asks:
    How will users easily find their applications and search for new ones as well as do a quick search of their friends? Getting users to adopt to such a massive change without any major problems is going to be a huge x-factor.

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Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:20:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=385625&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Widgetmakers successfully gut Zuckerberg's Facebook redesign ]]> n1681_32364148_296.jpgWhen we ran screenshots of Facebook's new profile pages back in late February, what you saw was a classic Mark Zuckerberg production. A source close to Facebook tells us the profile redesign was Zuckerberg's pet project, his baby. Well, that baby is dead.

At the very least, it's no longer a Mark Zuckerberg production. The widgetmakers have taken it over. Large Facebook-application developers — VC darlings like Slide, RockYou and Zynga which have thrived on Facebook's platform since it launched last May — panicked when they saw Zuckerberg's plans. And, perhaps because Google's rival app platform, OpenSocial, gave them leverage, the widgetmakers' collective kiboshed Zuckerberg's plan to launch the redesigned profiles in April. They wanted to see changes first. And now, we hear, they got them. Zuckerberg and his team are already "improving the design to have less radical implications for developers," one tells us.

Back when the Facebook platform launched, reporters compared Zuckerberg to Bill Gates. Gates ruled programmers who wrote applications for his Windows platform with such an iron fist that Europe's courts still aren't over it. But how often did third-party software makers push Gates into making Windows the way they wanted it? By contrast, Zuckerberg is hardly putting the "eek" in his ecosystem.

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Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:20:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=383723&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ 4 things BusinessWeek won't tell you about its under-30 entrepreneurs ]]> The problem with lists like BusinessWeek's collection of 13 under-30 entrepreneurs: Inevitably, in an effort to fill a demographic quota, editors scrape the bottom of the barrel. And presenting a balanced picture of these business novices cuts against the goal of serving up fresh faces. (Whether they're supposed to make BusinessWeek's 50something readers feel either young again or even older, I'm not quite sure.) Here are some things that BusinessWeek would just as soon you not know about members of its boy band:

  • Joe Green (top left) has raised $7.3 million for his Facebook application, Causes. Which would be more impressive had the funding not come from Peter Thiel's Founders Fund. Thiel is an investor in Facebook, and has a vested interest in creating the impression that Facebook appmakers are worth something.

  • Drew Houston (not pictured) runs a company, Dropbox, which offers online file storage, a service users can't get from anyone else. Except AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo, and a good dozen other startups.

  • VideoEgg CEO Matt Sanchez (top, second from left) tried to compete with YouTube and failed. Or "evolved," as BusinessWeek put it, into an ad network for Flash games, a crowded field that so far has garnered VideoEgg gross revenues of $300,000 a month. The magazine lauded Sanchez for raising $27 million in venture funding; it should have asked instead how much is left.

  • RockYou cofounder Jia Shen (bottom left) launched his widget startup while working for another company, Iconix, according to IM chats produced in court. He and cofounder Lance Tokuda settled a lawsuit with iconix last year. They're now trying — so far unsuccessfully — to raise another round of venture funding, or sell the company.
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Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:00:00 PDT Owen Thomas http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=381591&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ No one has any idea how much Facebook applications are worth ]]> funwalladanomics.pngSuperPoke is worth $13 million according to Facebook application tracker Adonomics. The site awards applications like Slide's Top Friends and RockYou's SuperWall values in the tens of millions of dollars — which provides some of the basis for the 9-digit figures that Slide has commanded, and RockYou hopes to get, in venture capitalists' estimates of their worth. Adonomics' numbers are as sketchy as those valuations, however. Facebook's homegrown Video application only has 807 active users, according to Adonomics stats. Something's off here, and I don't think it's just Facebook's $15 billion value.

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Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:20:00 PDT Jordan Golson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=374316&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Morgan Stanley trying to get $400 million for RockYou ]]> rockyou.jpgRockYou, the widget maker best known for Facebook's Super Wall application, has hired Morgan Stanley to raise a new financing round at a $400 million valuation, according to a hedge fund manager whom the investment bank solicited for the deal. Slide, a competitor, recently raised a round and is now worth $550 million, at least in its investors' fantasies, which sets a high bar for RockYou. Slide is the biggest reason why RockYou might actually get the financing. After it struck its deal, cofounders Jia Shen and Lance Tokuda could argue for a comparable value. But not all is rosy for Shen and Tokuda.

In Slide, RockYou now faces a very well-financed rival which took $50 million from its new investors. And Slide has real advertisers like McDonald's, AT&T, and BP; RockYou is better known for its plan to charge other Facebook-app makers to advertise their wares. (Does that strike anyone as a pyramid scheme?) Finally, there are RockYou's cofounders themselves — perhaps the biggest reason they won't get $400 million for RockYou.

Last year, they settled with their ex-employer Iconix, which charged them with developing the idea for RockYou while still working there. The episode was messy, and public. One would think RockYou's prospective investors would take it into account before putting their money in Shen and Tokuda's hands.

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Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:00:57 PDT Owen Thomas http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=369297&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Facebook's coattails carry RockYou and Slide across the pond ]]> FBUK.jpgFacebook widget makers RockYou and Slide account for two of the top three fastest-growing Web brands in the U.K., according to Nielsen//NetRatings. The third? Facebook. RockYou, the maker of MegaWall YouCan'tGetEnoughOfThisWallFunWallSuperWall, grew 2,100 percent from October 2006 to October 2007. In the same period, Slide, responsible for sheep-throwing app SuperPoke, grew 649 percent. Facebook itself grew 1,650 percent. Here's the chart.

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Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:02:38 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=329437&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Could MySpace buy RockYou to mess with Facebook? ]]> Rupert Murdoch - ValleywagShriveled-up megamogul Rupert Murdoch, the pint-sized force behind News Corp. and MySpace, is presenting the keynote at tomorrow's Web 2.0 conference. What big surprise does he have planned for the audience? As we mentioned last week, it's not going to be the rumored MySpace platform launch — that's still a ways away. In our inbox today landed a wild, juicy rumor which reeks of bullshit but is too hot to keep for ourselves. The email said that Murdoch will announce the acquisition of widget maker RockYou, a top Facebook-application developer, and the rumored price is a shocker — a cool $800 million.

Our tipster weighs in with a few more details...

RockYou will move to the new MySpace offices and continue expansion of SF's operations.

It seems to me like a steal to get home court advantage on Facebook turf for less than a billion, but hey, I'm sure RockYou is happy.

We're sure they'd be happy, too, if this rumor were real. The basic strategy makes sense: Bolster MySpace's still-nascent strategy to court developers, and bring one of Facebook's top allies into the enemy camp. It's the price that makes no sense. Sources close to both companies seemed as shocked by the figure as we were and, other than this tip, we haven't heard many whispers about a completed acquisition. My guess? It's a prank from a drunk tipster trying to get misinformation onto our site.

(Unless, of course, you know something we don't. In that case, please fill us in.)

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Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:11:38 PDT Megan McCarthy http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=311588&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Facebook applications chase Mark Zuckerberg's shadow ]]> Shadows on the WallMark Zuckerberg's strategy of holding out for a Facebook valuation as high as $15 billion is contagious. Developers of the most popular Facebook applications have become mini-Zucks, unwilling to part with their astronomically self-valued creations. If Lance Tokuda, the chief executive of RockYou, sees any difference, it's only one of scale. Speaking about his companies popular Super Wall application, Tokuda, says "If you told me you were going to write me a check for $10 million, I'd say, 'Forget it.'" Why?

What Tokuda didn't mention to the New York Times is that Sequoia Capital, RockYou's venture-capital backer, is rumored to be shopping his entire company for a price between $200 million and $500 million. It's hard to say which is more inflated: Tokuda's price for Super Wall, a minor improvement on Facebook's built-in Wall message board, or Sequoia's price for RockYou's entire collection of "barnacles," as the Times describes its applications.

Tokuda and Sequoia, of course, are only being smart. Of course they should capitalize on the Facebook buzz while they can. (We hear that one large and notoriously gullible buyer may actually be interested.) And he's selling as fast as he can:

This is a completely new channel of delivering content to users and letting them communicate. Owning that over the long stretch can be worth a lot.
In other words, in the Facebook universe, profits don't matter. Heck, revenues don't matter! All that matters is that application developers are brave new pioneers on an untapped frontier. Never mind that that frontier is already filled to bursting with more than 5,000 (mostly useless) applications. And never mind that Facebook, at any point, should you come up with a genuinely useful tool, reserves the right to build that function into the site itself.

And that reality is hitting home for Tokuda. Facebook has already moved to copy some of Super Wall's features. RockYou itself splits its audience with a similar application, FunWall. Over the long stretch, Super Wall is completely irrelevant. Not that the long run matters. If anyone has actually named a price for SuperWall, or for all of RockYou, Tokuda should sell now. We call it making hay while the sun is shining.

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Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:43:13 PDT Tim Faulkner http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=307106&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ The value of a Facebook application ]]> Widget-maker RockYou may be willing to spend millions on Facebook applications, but bidders at eBay are a little more discerning. Michael Zhang was first to auction a Facebook application on eBay, and the bidding on his Logbook app closed yesterday. Logbook documents movies, music, and books and ties into Amazon's affiliate-marketing program as a source of revenue. It's less popular and viral than spraypainting your friends' walls — on the other hand, there is the potential for actual revenues — an unusual feature for Facebook's hangers-on. So how much was the winning bid for Logbook?

A mere $2,550. Zhang surpassed his asking price, so he can't be too unsatisfied by the outcome. We should give him credit for knowing the value of his work. But other developers dreaming of much richer valuations are unlikely to be satisfied by an efficient, transparent marketplace like eBay. Take, for example, I Am Hungry, a completely useless app on which the bidding, with three days to go, is currently well below the reserve price of $5,000.

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Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:42:30 PDT Tim Faulkner http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=304337&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ RockYou wanted to pay $2M to draw on your wall ]]> Graffiti.pngFacebook's platform has captured the hearts of Valley developers and the wallets of Sand Hill moneymen, but still has yet to prove it can make a buck. The question, five months after the Facebook frenzy began, is how much is a Facebook application worth? For an answer, let's turn to widget powerhouse RockYou, the startup known to users for its horoscope application and to backers for an intellectual property scandal which almost cost backer Sequoia Capital its investment. Here's what they thought one high-profile app was worth.

We hear RockYou made a quiet pitch to the developers of Facebook application Graffiti soon after the Facebook platform launched. The offer? $2 million for the viral success story, mere weeks after it was introduced. The most bizarre part of this tale is the reaction from the developers Mark Kantor, and Tim and Ted Suzman: They turned down the offer, presumably because they were looking for a higher payout for their numerous sleepless hours spent coding the time-wasting widget. Think these guys have a bright future ahead of them? Join the team. They're looking for an engineer.

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Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:31:57 PDT Megan McCarthy http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=303398&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ RockYou's secret rate card for Facebook apps ]]> RockYou's pitchThose who can't do, teach. And those who teach, when it comes to Facebook, are charging handsomely for the privilege. RockYou, a maker of Web "widgets," those Web pages in miniature that clutter up blogs and MySpace pages, has not, apparently, figured out how to make money directly off of the Facebook apps they've created like Super Wall and Zombies. The Sequoia Capital-backed startup has, however, figured out how to make money from Facebook app developers. How? By charging them to sign up users by advertising their apps on RockYou's Facebook apps. The fee? Half a buck per user. It sounds like the perfect Ponzi scheme: As long as venture capitalists and clueless big companies are overpaying for startups based on the number of Facebook users they've signed up, it should work brilliantly. After the jump, slides from RockYou's pitch to fellow application creators.

Rockyou Slide 1"It's all you!" RockYou proclaims. Unless, that is, you're a Facebook app developer too inept to figure out how to get your app embraced by Facebook users.

Rockyou Slide 2Take, for example, Yahoo. Until RockYou came along, Yahoo's music-video app for Facebook faced resounding indifference.

Rockyou Slide 5RockYou has provided such amazing Facebook apps as Horoscopes and Zombies. If you've been "bitten" by a Facebook friend who wants to turn you into a zombie, now you know whom to blame — RockYou.

Rockyou Slide 8Want to sign up users? It will cost you. At the largest volume discount, RockYou charges $0.50 per user signed up. That's roughly comparable to cost-per-click advertising on Google, which would be reasonable if, say, you were actually selling something, as opposed to trying to get people to sign up for your free Facebook app. And how does RockYou expect you to make up the money you've just spent on that user? Why, that's your problem. Perhaps you can charge that much for explaining to another startup how to make money on Facebook.

Full deck here (PDF).

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Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:33:02 PDT Owen Thomas http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=293930&view=rss&microfeed=true