<![CDATA[Valleywag: opensocial]]> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/valleywag.com.png <![CDATA[Valleywag: opensocial]]> http://valleywag.com/tag/opensocial http://valleywag.com/tag/opensocial <![CDATA[ Zuckerberg to Google: Let's connect, friend ]]> ZuckbergDrinks.jpgFacebook launched its Japanese-language version today and vision-questing, globe-trotting CEO Mark Zuckerberg magically appeared in the land of the rising sun to take reporters' questions. Among the queries: What's the deal with Facebook dropping Google Friend Connect, the search engine's new service that sucks data out of rival social networks? Zuck explained:

Part of the issue with Google's Friend Connect is that when users grant access to Google's product, Google might share their information with another application, or some part of it, maybe not all of it, without that user knowing. And part of what makes our system work is that people know exactly who they are sharing all their information with.
Then Zuckerberg said all this could have been avoided if Google had just talked to Facebook prior to launching Friend Connect. "They launched that without asking us or talking to us about it first so we had no choice but to follow the rules," Zuck said.

Funny thing is, Google claims an employee did talk to Facebook before launching the product. At least, according to Google engineering director David Glazer. No matter, said Zuck. "Google's a big player in the space and they make good things and our goal is to work with them to figure this out." Hear that Larry, Sergey? You guys make good things, so Mr. Zuckerberg will deign to speak with you. After he's done with his round-the-world trot.

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Valleywag-391715 Mon, 19 May 2008 12:40:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=391715&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Yahoo, Google, MySpace form tax-exempt foundation to promote Facebook rival ]]> OpenSocial.jpgYahoo, Google and MySpace plan to further compound their OpenSocial initiative with another initiative, the OpenSocial Foundation. OpenSocial is a widget platform Google first announced last fall when Facebook seemed poised to "take over the world" with its own platform. After the announcement, Google rushed OpenSocial into development and completed — sort of — a beta version earlier this year. The foundation proposal calls for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status and protection against patent challenges. Ah, so this is really about getting donors to pay Google's legal bills!

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Valleywag-371906 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:20:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=371906&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Yahoo joins Google's OpenSocial, four months after everyone else ]]> SadReally.jpgOpenSocial: it's Google's widget platform for MySpace and a bunch of social networks you've never of — and now Yahoo's. Bits reports that Yahoo will join the OpenSocial platform sometime in the next week. Don't overthink the message here, people. It's "Hey Microsoft, you sure we're worth all that money?"

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Valleywag-367117 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:20:00 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=367117&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Why is Google trying to imitate Microsoft's lamest product? ]]> Joe_Kraus.jpgGoogle relaunched JotSpot, a group wiki it acquired in 2006, as Google Sites today. It's a collaborative wiki. Whatever. For a PR-friendly feature list, go check out Google PR. What we want to know is: What took so long? And why did Google bother?

It's been 16 months since since Google acquired the company from Excite founders Joe Kraus and Graham Spencer. During that time JotSpot languished and users — like me and my coworkers at my old gig — suffered from bugs and poor customer service.

If you like, blame the delay on JotSpot employees wasting their time at Google. After all, Kraus runs OpenSocial, Google PR's answer to what once looked like the runaway success of Facebook's application platform. One former JotSpot employee, Google Sites product manager Scott Johnston, seems to use his 20 percent time sending Twitters.

But more likely the delay is due to limited market demand for a "Sharepoint killer." Microsoft's SharePoint, which lets you post huge PowerPoint presentations to a file server instead of clogging your Exchange box with extra copies, has been doing a good job of killing itself. Do you know anyone who uses SharePoint willingly and gladly, without being strongarmed by a central IT department?

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Valleywag-361838 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:20:28 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=361838&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Bradley Horowitz from Yahoo to Google? ]]> Bradley HorowitzMicrosoft's bid for Yahoo has many eyeing the exits. But we hear that Bradley Horowitz, the VP in charge of Yahoo's advanced products group, has been plotting his escape long before Steve Ballmer's bear hug made it trendy. Since late last year, he's been interviewing at Google. It's not clear if he'll actually get the job, though. Google's hiring process is legendarily slow, but Larry and Sergey can get things moving on candidates they're keen on. If Horowitz was really wanted at the Googleplex, wouldn't he be working there by now? Or was Google just waiting to oust Chris Sacca, making room for another voluble professional conference attendee? Update: Bradley, we misunderestimated you. TechCrunch reports Horowitz is working on one of Google's most vaporous projects: its OpenSocial widget platform, alongside Excite founder Joe Kraus.

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Valleywag-355750 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:10:08 PST Owen Thomas http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=355750&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Google to buy Plaxo -- and a new pal -- for $200 million? ]]> Best buddiesPlaxo, the contact-sharing service trying to reinvent itself as a social network, may have sold itself to Google for something close to $200 million. And if the rumor's true, I think the companies may be doing it out of friendship. One could bloviate endlessly here about industry consolidation, user-data portability, and so on — and I'm sure you'll read plenty of that. I think the real reason is much simpler. Brad Fitzpatrick, the LiveJournal founder now leading Google's social-network strategy, wants to work with Joseph Smarr, Plaxo's chief platform architect. I sat with the two at lunch at the Web 2.0 Summit last year, and they got along famously.

Plaxo and Google are working closely on its OpenSocial platform, and Smarr incorporated Fitzpatrick's recently developed friend-finding tool hours after its launch. Would Google spend a nine-digit sum to keep an engineer happy? Sure. It's pocket change for the search giant. An acquisition would also keep Smarr and the technology he's developed out of Mark Zuckerberg's hands at Facebook. And to think, I didn't even need to map a social graph to figure that out. (Photo by silverisdead)

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Valleywag-353967 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:50:23 PST Owen Thomas http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=353967&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Plaxo for sale ]]> The New York Times reports that address-book service Plaxo is seeking up to $100 million from buyers. Reporter Andrew Ross Sorkin writes, "Plaxo, which has been overtaken by rivals like LinkedIn and Facebook, has tried to reinvent itself as an aggregate of information from other social networking sites," joining Google's OpenSocial initiative in November. That spiked usage among customers. Selling now may be not desperation, but timeliness.

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Valleywag-339906 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:05:20 PST Paul Boutin http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=339906&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ OpenSocial is real, swears Googler in charge ]]> OpenSocial.jpgOpenSocial, which we've always maintained is a surprisingly elegant PR scam, isn't due out until next year. Facebook continues to add 100 (still entirely useless) apps a day to its now purportedly open platform. So is there any point to Google's OpenSocial anymore? Sure there is. Just ask the guy whose career at Google depends on it.

Google's Joe Kraus told The Social, "We've made a lot of progress." You people on the outside just can't see it yet, he said.

"In the classic kind of platform world, what typically happens is there's a lot of work that goes on that isn't consumer-visible," Kraus said. Which of course means, Trust us. We're Google.

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Valleywag-333923 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:22:49 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=333923&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Facebook throws platform at rivals, pokes Google ]]> FBOPENLOLS.jpgFacebook wasn't invited to the OpenSocial party. Now it's throwing its own. Facebook says it will allow other social networks to use the software behind its third-party developer platform as a model. "In fact, we'll even license the Facebook Platform methods and tags to other platforms," Ami Vora writes on its Facebook Developers blog. The big loser? Well, anyone who writes apps for social networks, pretty much by definition. But also, Google.

At least one OpenSocial launch partner, Bebo, has already decided to go with the Facebook Platform. Expect more to follow. Google has yet to match the hype surrounding its OpenSocial announcement, admitting earlier this week its platform won't be ready until next year. "Open" is just another word for nothing left to lose.

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Valleywag-333174 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:51:34 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=333174&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Bebo betrays Google, buys bloggers breakfast ]]> bebologotg8.pngSocial network Bebo, which, like Hillary Clinton is more popular in the U.K. than at home, is hosting a breakfast Wednesday morning at the Metreon's second-floor Action Theater for an event at which they promise to announce "news that will impact the developer community and Bebo's 40 million users worldwide." That smells like a platform announcement to me! But, wait, isn't Bebo part of Google's OpenSocial consortium? Coffee, croissants, and controversy. Eminently worth an 8 a.m. wakeup call.

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Valleywag-332190 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:31:39 PST Megan McCarthy http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=332190&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ OpenSocial won't open till next year ]]> opensocial-thumb.jpgRemember OpenSocial, Google's open-source platform for building applications that let users throw sheep at each other on any social network, not just Facebook? "At this point it looks like we'll make a couple more revisions to the API before it's baked enough for launch," Googler Arne Roomann-Kurrik tells partners in a Google Group dedicated to OpenSocial. "This puts us into January before the API is ready. Expect some early adopters to have a public launch early 2008." In the meantime, Google's vaunted partners are all off launching developer platforms on their own.

LinkedIn will announce its own developer platform on December 10 . Friendster has already announced its own. MySpace, though it may have been hoping OpenSocial would spare it the expense of developing its own platform, is well on its way to copying all things Facebook.

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Valleywag-331389 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:03:30 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=331389&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Now it's even easier to find useless Facebook apps ]]> small_spamIam.jpgMaybe Facebook applications weren't spammy enough for you already? Don't lose sleep over it. GigaOm's Om Malik reports that third-party developers will soon be able to let search engines index their applications' pages. What does that mean? A whole lot more useless links and ugly clutter, and even more people inviting you to become a zombie. It's also a reason to give enthusiasts of Google's OpenSocial platform pause. There's less reason to build an app for OpenSocial if Google's own search results will help developers find new users.

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Valleywag-328582 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:20:04 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=328582&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Verizon calls Google's multibillion-dollar bluff ]]> Google's wireless plan deflatesWhen it comes to wireless, Google is full of hot air. But Verizon Wireless has now popped Google's bubble. By next year, CEO Lowell McAdam declares, Verizon Wireless will open its network to any devices that meet its technical standards. An important note: Verizon's standards, not Google's. Google will likely squawk at this. It's complained before, specifically about Verizon, and found willing ears among Silicon Valley's hopelessly naive press corps.

Earlier this month, BusinessWeek reported that "Google had become frustrated with phone companies that were blocking some Google applications from being used on phones attached to their networks." Which phone companies? Which applications? Which phones? The BusinessWeek article conveniently omitted such details, and neither Google nor the publication offered comment on the record when I asked for them.

That's because, I suspect, there are no real examples. Google's Chris Sacca, the leader of the company's wireless "special projects," has been talking up the evils of big, bad phone companies like Verizon. But Verizon's latest move shows that it's not that the phone companies are resistant to the idea of openness. They oppose, rather, the notion that Google should get to set the rules for competition — rules that will no doubt smooth the way for the sale of mobile advertising on terms favorable to Google's offerings.

With Android, its mobile-phone OS, and OpenSocial, its widget platform for social networks, Google is trying to upset others' applecarts. But make no mistake: This isn't because Google is trying to do good and fight for openness. It's because Google, in negotiations with players like Verizon and Facebook, isn't getting its ways. Releasing software APIs may seem like a particularly nerdy and passive-aggressive way of throwing a temper tantrum. But make no mistake: That's exactly what Google's been doing. Expect more bawling and rolling around on the floor at the Googleplex at Verizon's latest move.

(Photo by Wikimedia Commons)

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Valleywag-327094 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:33:54 PST Owen Thomas http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=327094&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Google who? LinkedIn to launch own developer program ]]> OpenWhat.jpgLinkedIn will launch a developer program similar to Facebook's platform on December 10. According to the company's PR firm, the new program will allow "select" third-party developers to build "business applications for the Web." We're just glad that In the details that follow, the words "social graph" are nowhere to be seen.

Several applications will be available the day LinkedIn's platform launches. The social network also introduce several new apps of its own on that will "enable them to draw on the wisdom, knowledge, experience, resources, and inspiration of their networks."

It's not good news for Google's OpenSocial initiative, in which LinkedIn is a theoretical partner. Why would LinkedIn need its own platform — if, that is, OpenSocial were anything more than a PR scam?

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Valleywag-325123 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:03:38 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=325123&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ OpenSocial turns Plaxo growth chart into a hockey stick ]]> http://valleywag.com/assets/resources/2007/11/plaxo_540x417-thumb.jpgCall Google's OpenSocial intiative a PR scam if you want. Executives from social network Plaxo don't care — because for them, it was a successful PR scam. Take a look at the chart they provided CNET. Since Google announced its "open" alternative to Facebook's developer platform and included Plaxo as a launch partner, growth at Pulse, Plaxo's social network/address book hybrid, took on hockey-stick dimensions.

"I've never seen a growth chart with such a sharply pronounced inflection point," Plaxo marketing executive John McCrea told CNET. "Within hours of the Google OpenSocial social network service unfolding, it was surge conditions here. Our service almost buckled."

Of course, OpenSocial is thoroughly half-baked. The fact that you'll soon be able to throw virtual sheep at fellow Plaxo users should not have, by itself, driven usage up. What that tells me is that McCrea hasn't been doing his job. If some wonky API announcement mentioning Plaxo was enought to bring users of Plaxo's Pulse to 1 million, imagine what would happen if McCrea actually started marketing this thing.

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Valleywag-324881 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:14:29 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=324881&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Developer meetups and cool cars ]]> FaceleplaxTonight, Facebook-app developers invade enemy territory in Mountain View. Or Google tries to seduce developers over to the dark side, take your pick. For more detail, check today's Valleywag Calendar.

  • The Bay Area Facebook Developers meetup takes place at the Googleplex's Building 43, and the subject will be about extending your app to reach Google's OpenSocial platform. Pizza will be served at 6:45 p.m., and talks begin at 7. Take pics! Pose with the dinosaur! [Facebook]
  • The Berkeley-Stanford Cleantech Conference series begins at 1 p.m. on the Berkeley campus. Today's focus is on the electrification of vehicles, so expect lots of Priuses in the parking lot. [UC Berkeley]
  • Thanksgiving is Thursday. Have your travel plans ready? Alert your pals on Dopplr, so you can make plans to escape the family together.

Got a to-do that's a must-do? Send it to calendar@valleywag.com. Check out more events on our Google Calendar:

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Valleywag-324492 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:06:20 PST Megan McCarthy http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=324492&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ OpenSocial apps come to Facebook ]]> chaostheory.jpgFacebook might not have much of a choice as to whether or not it wants to participate in Google's OpenSocial initiative. Who's Mark Zuckberg got to blame for getting dragged to a party he was never invited to? Developer Dan Lester who's built a new Facebook app in beta called OpenSocket. It's not that great: He's got a long list of limitations on a post to announce the beta. But it looks like apps written to Google's standard will find a way onto Facebook. Which means what, exactly? You can throw a sheep on Facebook and have it land on MySpace?

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Valleywag-323869 Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:54:37 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=323869&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Is Amazon.com supporting Google's Facebook killer? Don't ask ]]> Read/WriteWeb last night reported that Amazon.com will announce today, among other things, support of Google's OpenSocial Web widget platform in all of its applications going forward. Now Google can tout Amazon's support for its rival platform to extend social networks. Or can it? Amazon flacks, after sending Read/WriteWeb a press release about the move, are now retracting it and claiming the company is not adopting OpenSocial. Or if it is, they're pretending they don't know about it.

Read/WriteWeb's Marshall Kirkpatrick Twitters:

Update: Amazon contacted us this morning to let us know that though they sent us a draft press release, they are not in fact making any such announcement, they are not supporting OpenSocial and if they were it would still be under embargo anyway despite the date on said release.
In other words, yes, Amazon is probably supporting OpenSocial. Adding the online retailer to the list of OpenSocial supporters would certainly be a major help to Google's assault on Facebook. Amazon helped launch Facebook's apps platform, and in the buildup to Facebook's Social Ads announcement, everyone used Amazon as an example of its potential power. Last week, however, Amazon was nowhere to be found.

Apparently, though, Jeff Bezos & Co. aren't prepared to diss Facebook quite yet. Amazon's PR team messed up and hopes we'll just ignore their own press releases, or honor some after-the-fact embargo. Sorry. Even when done right, the day of the embargo is over.

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Valleywag-323285 Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:28:10 PST Tim Faulkner http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=323285&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Facebook rejects MySpace OpenSocial invite ]]> remove.jpgSpeaking at a conference over the weekend, MySpace CEO Chris DeWolfe reportedly asked Facebook to join Google's OpenSocial initiative. Facebook COO Owen Van Natta politely rejected the idea. He said Facebook's developer platform protects user privacy better than the open standard.

That's probably true, but most would say the real reason Facebook won't join OpenSocial anytime soon is that it wants to keep developers to itself. Good theory, but good luck with that plan. Here's what a third-party developer working on app for both platforms told me. It's not really that hard to write a Facebook app in the company's proprietary FBML and then rework it for the OpenSocial platform. So maybe Facebook really is concerned about protecting user privacy. But if that's the case, then why doesn't it start its campaign closer to home?

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Valleywag-321959 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:05:58 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=321959&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Scoble slams Googlephone -- the 100-word version ]]> I'm sorry, but the Scoble coverage sucks without me. It's been two weeks since I stopped posting and Fake Steve is already reduced to recycling this photo from January. I punched it up in Photoshop — can't you guys even do that for yourselves? Anyway, our boy slammed Google's phone plans Monday. Scoble's 100 percent right, but 1,251 words too long. I fixed that.

I'm watching the Android video. Man, I thought my videos were boring, this one takes the cake. This stuff is still vaporware. No phones are available with it. I don't know of a single developer who has had his/her hands on Android. At Microsoft I learned DO NOT TRUST THINGS THAT THEY WON'T SHOW ME WORKING. The UI looks confused. Too many metaphors. One reason the iPhone does so well is because the UI is fairly consistent. Fun, even.
Here's the obligatory Scobleizer brag:
Last week I was in the Open Social press conference. Everyone else in the room worked for a big-name media outlet. Business Week. Wall Street Journal. Los Angeles Times. CNET. Barrons. etc. etc. Even TechCrunch was relegated to a phone-based seat and wasn't in the room.
Robert, congrats on getting bumped up to MSM status by Google PR. I always said you were a genius. Too bad the rest of the MacArthur committee didn't agree with me.

(Photo by Dwight Silverman/Houston Chronicle)

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Valleywag-321886 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:25:21 PST Paul Boutin http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=321886&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Microsoft exec trashes Google's OpenSocial ]]> OpenSocialWhat does Microsoft's $240 million investment in Facebook really buy? A chance for the longtime Web laggard to finally rag on Google innovations, of course. So what did Microsoft VP Chris Jones say about Google's OpenSocial, an initiative to let developers build "widgets," or small Web apps, for multiple social networks? Jones insists on calling them "gadgets" instead of widgets — a sign of how out of touch they are in Redmond — but other than that, in an interview with News.com, the nyah-nyah tone of his playground taunt is clear:

It's more of a gadget platform than a social-networking approach. It's a way to add gadgets to pages with a couple of extensions to it. That's been a very interesting thing for Facebook and it's taken off, and OpenSocial to me looks like a way for a set of people to try to participate in that phenomenon that's happened on Facebook.
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Valleywag-320423 Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:01:17 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=320423&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Google on OpenSocial vs. Facebook, the 100-word version ]]> opensocial.jpgInsideFacebook's Justin Smith managed to wrangle an interview with Google product manager and OpenSocial wonk Peter Chane. Smith even asked a few tough questions. Unfortunately, Chane gave him prolix answers. Here's the whole thing boiled down to one question and a 100-word response.

Smith: Which is better, the Facebook platform or OpenSocial and why?

OpenSocial. Partner sites have over 200 million users. OK, the OpenSocial APIs don't reach as deeply into social graphs as do Facebook's, but if partners want to modify them so that they do it's fine. OK, OpenSocial apps won't be able to send invitations to a user's friends as the apps can on Facebook, but we can copy that idea too. Our philosophy is to allow partners to do all the work. By the way, unlike when Faceboook launched, none of the partners got an early advantage. Except for us. Other containers are not accepting applications as quickly as Orkut.

Chane conclued, "OpenSocial is still very much a work in progress, and we'll have more to say soon." We'll cut that down to a palatable size, too.


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Valleywag-318859 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:48:58 PST Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=318859&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Google's OpenSocial closed to non-Gang members ]]> (Photo by Maurice Koop)"What PR crock," a source tells us, complaining about Google's OpenSocial initiative. The problem? Seems that so far OpenSocial is only open to partners Google signed prior to launch. In fact the "Google Container Developers" discussions page is full pleas for access to the service provider documentation. How long until Google unlocks the door? (Photo by Maurice Koop)

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Valleywag-318420 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:58:45 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=318420&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ 4 reasons why Google's OpenSocial is a PR scam ]]> OpenSocialYesterday, we showed you charts comparing Facebook to the motley group of also-ran social networks Google roped together as a part of the initiative. Not impressive. But then news came that MySpace and Bebo had joined the initiative. Now Facebook was really in trouble, right? Not quite.

A few quick points to douse your raging one for OpenSocial:

  • As some are pointing out, OpenSocial should really be called OpenWidget. Why? Because app users on one social network still can't interact with users on another. The "social graph" — or list of friends — of one website won't connect with others through OpenSocial. This will limit the viral growth of applications as well as their usefulness on smaller networks.
  • But MySpace, right? Well, remember, MySpace already planned to launch a developer's platform. They still are. This competition was going to happen anyway.
  • But Bebo, right? Well, no. Bebo joined OpenSocial but also announced it would import apps written in FBML. So now developers already planning to write for Facebook actually have another reason to.
  • Facebook's platform itself was more hype than substance four days ago. If the best app we've seen yet is a way to download your address book, I'm not ready to say the reason Facebook dominates has anything to do with its third-party platform. Like Facebook itself, its application platform is more a matter of hope than reality. So what's Google's me-too OpenSocial, if not an imitation of hype?

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Valleywag-318226 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:10:31 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=318226&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Bebo opens backdoor to Facebook developers ]]> RiskGoogle's getting all the credit for reaching around the Risk board and ganging up on Facebook. But, even though you've never heard of them, check out Bebo's sneaky moves. The social network, which is big in the U.K. and unknown in the U.S., seems to be playing both sides.

The whole strategic idea behind OpenSocial is aggregate enough users to lure developers away from writing applications just for Facebook. Bebo signed on yesterday. But, just in case Google's master plan doesn't work and all the good stuff keeps going to Facebook, Bebo said it will launch a tool for Facebook developers to port their applications to the Bebo. Devious! (Photo by The Fayj)

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Valleywag-318183 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:46:39 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=318183&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Facebook never invited to OpenSocial party ]]> (Photo by {dpade1337})Know how when you don't get invited to a party you tell yourself how you have to keep telling yourself you are way too cool for that party, buddy, don't worry about those jerks. Who needs their fancy shoes and pretentious airs? So does chief Facebook flack Brandee Barker.

Asked if Facebook was contacted by Google and invited to join its OpenSocial initiative, she reportedly said:

Despite reports, Facebook has still not been briefed on OpenSocial. When we have had a chance to understand the technology, then Facebook will evaluate participation relative to the benefits to its 50 million users and 100,000 platform developers.
Hear that? 50 million users. Sniff. 100,000 platform developers. Sniff. Leave Facebook alone!

(Photo by {dpade1337})

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Valleywag-318139 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:05:13 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=318139&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Third chart's the charm for Google Gang apologists ]]> HitWiseOpenSocial.pngGoogle's gang of also-ran social networks had their day in the sun. But then we rained on it with our charts, which showed that even in aggregate, without MySpace, the Google gang didn't amount to much in the U.S. Some of you protested. Well here's the good news. Today, the chart looks much better for the Google Gang versus Facebook. The bad news? Well, we may have rained on your day in the sun but you ... who are you again? Here's how the chart looks when Hitwise included some social networks you may have actually heard of, like Bebo and MySpace, Google's new OpenSocial partners.

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Valleywag-318103 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:50:46 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=318103&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Google hires Michael Scott for OpenSocial Campfire ]]>
At Google's "first Campfire One" — Dept. of Redundancy Dept.! — developer-relations guy Vic Gundotra nails a pitch-perfect impersonation of The Office's Michael Scott. "Well, good evening and hello. Tonight we're going to talk about one very special way to make the Web better." The rest of his stiff, awkward, canned presentation showing off OpenSocial, goes on like this. Watch it, if you dare. It took might take you a minute to realize that he wasn't actually doing a parody of TV's most tiresome boss.

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Valleywag-318099 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:34:54 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=318099&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Charlene Li comes clean on OpenSocial leak ]]> Charlene LiForrester Research analyst Charlene Li now claims that she was the source of the New York Times scoop about Google's OpenSocial program, something we alluded to in a post yesterday about a quote from Li being scrubbed from the Times story. So, why did she say she spilled the beans? Turns out that Li got the embargo dates wrong, thinking that the information could be distributed as of last Friday, instead of this one. As for why the quote was pulled? The Times doesn't comment on its reporting or sources, but it was more likely cut for space in an edit than for any nefarious reason. If you've read one analyst quote, you've read 'em all. And given the number of other sources the Times plausibly could have had on this story, one wonders if Li isn't giving herself entirely too much credit.

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Valleywag-317986 Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:51:27 PDT Megan McCarthy http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317986&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ MySpace, Bebo join Google's social crew ]]> myspacelogo.jpgJust as we predicted, MySpace has joined Google's OpenSocial movement. Another name to add to the anti-Facebook list? UK-heavy network Bebo. Now, at last, Google's open-standards initiative looks more substantive. For Google's also-ran early adopters, though, there's still a problem: They won't be able to tap into MySpace and Bebo's users to spread their apps virally.

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Valleywag-317946 Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:34:15 PDT Megan McCarthy http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317946&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ What OpenSocial will look like on Ning ]]> DubPages ProfileA tipster has leaked us these screen shots of how Marc Andreessen and company plan to integrate Google's OpenSocial platform into Ning. Make sure you're sitting down. We've got a ninja.

Notice the Flixster app installed on this profile, part of the Ask a Ninja socia network by Ning:

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Here's a DubPages profile with an iLike app installed. Check out the "activity stream," very similar to Facebook's news feed:

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Valleywag-317915 Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:18:03 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317915&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ MySpace to announce OpenSocial with Google today? ]]> Rumor is that MySpace is considering joining Google's OpenSocial initiative. An announcement could come as soon as today, a tipster tells my colleague Megan McCarthy. Yesterday, we threw a few pretty charts at you to explain why Google has to rope the News Corp.-owned social network into its posse if it hopes to rein in Facebook's popularity with application developers. So it isn't a surprise Google and MySpace are talking — especially considering the two companies already have a huge search deal. One wonders: Was this what Google dealmaker Megan Smith was bending MySpace CEO Chris DeWolfe's ear about at Web 2.0 Summit? Let us know what they were really saying.

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Valleywag-317778 Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:27:44 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317778&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Google Gang apologists demand a recount ]]> opensocial2.pngWord is quickly spreading that Google's OpenSocial is more of a PR triumph than engineering feat. Even partners, such as Friendster, for example, want to make sure you know that they were developing their own developer platforms well before word leaked about Google's plans. On top of that, yesterday we showed you a series of charts indicating just how insignificant many of these Google gang members are in relation to Facebook. Google apologists did not appreciate the imagery. Show us the aggregates! They demanded. Fine. Here's a new chart. But it's just going to teach you to be careful what you wish for.

So here's a new chart from Hitwise. It compares the aggregate U.S. market share of OpenSocial partners Orkut, Hi5, Friendster, Plaxo, Linkedin and Ning versus Facebook. Like what you see?

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Some will object to this graph because it only covers U.S. market share. Fine, but remember that Facebook isn't an international slouch either, with 60 percent of its users based outside the U.S. and 11 million members in Canada and the U.K. alone.

And the other problem? As far as I can tell, OpenSocial does not yet interconnect social networks. So widget makers seeking a U.S. audience — the one advertisers today are most willing to pay for — won't get the kind of viral growth they can on Facebook. Their apps will be stranded on small islands, without the critical mass that causes the rapid spread some Facebook apps have seen.

Apologists will continue to hype OpenSocial, arguing that Google Gang users, in aggregrate, will lure developers away from the Facebook platform or at least weaken Facebook's hold on them. But the looks of these charts, do you see that happening?

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Valleywag-317627 Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:05:14 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317627&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Brad Fitzpatrick says "Boo!" and I do too ]]> Googler Brad Fitzpatrick has dressed up as Facebook for Halloween. Ironic, since he might easily have been a Facebooker dressing up in Google's primary colors right now. Before jumping from Six Apart, he interviewed at both Facebook and Google. Dave Morin says it's onAnd now the two companies are set up for a tumultuous clash — not just over hiring one employee, but over the future of online ads. Facebook is set to announce its own targeted-ad network next week, taking on Google's AdSense; Google is soon to launch open standards for widgets, competing with Facebook's platform for developers. Dave Morin, who manages that platform, had his AIM status set with this message: "Bring it, Fitzpatrick." It's getting scary up in here. Which raises the question: How am I going to put the fright on Silicon Valley this Halloween?



Owen Thomas, the scary guy who runs ValleywagI don't need a costume. I'm just going to go around telling people I'm the Valleywag, to see if they jump out of their skins. Trick or treat!

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Valleywag-317544 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:51:50 PDT Owen Thomas http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317544&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ The New York Times' missing Google quote ]]> Last night, when Brad Stone and Miguel Helft got the scoop about Google's OpenSocial program, they included a quote from Forrester Research analyst Charlene Li. You can still find the quote using Google's search engine, but it's gone from the text of the story, and we can't find any cached version. Why? Perhaps it was cut for space in the final print version. That strikes me as curious, since space considerations don't apply to the Web, where the full version could have easily remained. More intriguing is the whispers that an unduly loquacious Li might have played a role in the New York Times getting the scoop. We're stumped. Anyone have an answer?

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Valleywag-317490 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:00:17 PDT Megan McCarthy http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317490&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ OpenSpeak translated is "gimme" ]]> godave.gifLoveable crankster Dave Winer unwraps the etymology of Google's OpenSocial platform.
Open Source — let's see your source code.

OpenDoc — let's get rid of Office.

OpenID — let's see your users.

Free Beer — Web 2.0.

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Valleywag-317462 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:32:22 PDT Paul Boutin http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317462&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Another minute, another Google Gang member ]]> Photo by russelljsmithAccording to a source, blog-software company Six Apart has joined as another partner for Google's OpenSocial platform. For those of you keeping count at home, don't bother. The list is surely to grow as word gets out. Social network Friendster, for example, wasn't asked to join the Google Gang. The pioneering social network begged to be included after a story leaked on TechCrunch. Google's secrecy is making the whole "open" affair less than transparent, as different names leak to different reporters. Here's a list of media outlets and the OpenSocial partners they list.


  • The New York Times: Google's Orkut, LinkedIn, Hi5, Friendster, Plaxo and Ning
  • O'Reilly's Radar: Hi5, iLike, Slide, LinkedIn, Plaxo, Ning and Six Apart
  • TechCrunch: Orkut, Salesforce.com, LinkedIn, Ning, Hi5, Plaxo, Friendster, Viadeo and Oracle
  • Valleywag: Hi5, Orkut, LinkedIn, Friendster, Ning, Salesforce.com, and Oracle

Guess the only way to find out for sure who's involved is to attend CampFire Thursday night on the Google campus. We would, but we have a thing against CamelCase. But bring us back a s'more, wouldja?

(Photo by russelljsmith)

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Valleywag-317408 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:56:02 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317408&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ What OpenSocial will look like on LinkedIn ]]> li-opensocial-demo-1.PNGOur charts may show that aggregated traffic of Google's OpenSocial gang might not quite stack up to Facebook's, but that doesn't mean the open platform isn't huge news for the smaller players Google rounded up. Here are screen shots detailing how one such partner, LinkedIn, plans to incorporate apps developed for the new platform.

LinkedIn's new layout, still in beta testing. Note the app modules on the right.

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Here's another. See how the calendar app incorporates the user's "social graph," or list of connections? It's enough to make Zuck stamp his Adidas-clad feet.

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Valleywag-317361 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:09:58 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317361&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Will Google's Facebook roast break the law? ]]> O'Reilly Radar notes one aspect of the announcement, the appearance of a "CampFire" (their capitalization) which will bring together thirty developers to celebrate OpenSocial, Google's also-ran answer to Facebook's app platform. The "CampFire" mentioned? Not a euphemism. We hear that Google is hosting, outside on its main campus, an invite-only, s'mores-cooking, go-gather-some-kindling bonfire to let platform developers get their kum-ba-ya-yas on. "Someone from our team is heading there to roast marshmallows, who knows," says one participant. Google has been secretive throughout this process. But in its efforts to hide the project, there's one legal nicety Google hasn't observed.

According to the Mountain View Fire Department, Google has yet to file for an outdoor fire permit. All it takes is a $130 fee and having someone from the fire marshal's office run a plan check and an inspection at the site. (Which they can do in an hour, if they're not busy.)

Speculation is that Google wanted the campfire to be the moment when they would introduce all the other major players to each other, because Google's strict NDAs, you see, would have kept them in the dark before. (Yeah, right. As if they wouldn't talk to each other before the big day. Remember, Google, these people might work with you, but they don't work for you.) It would be awfully embarrassing if Google's attempt at social networking got hosed down before it even got a chance to flame out.

(Photo by pfly)

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Valleywag-317349 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:48:39 PDT Megan McCarthy http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317349&view=rss&microfeed=true
<![CDATA[ Bunch of losers and Google gang up on Facebook ]]> dominance.jpgGoogle couldn't get a piece of Facebook or its hot apps platform, so now it's building its own. Not that it would like people to call it Google's platform; it's trying to persuade people that this is an open platform. It's called OpenSocial, and it's supposed to force developers to reconsider writing apps solely in FBML, the Facebook platform's proprietary language. The idea is that Google will gather a gang of websites whose users combined, will offer an audience as large as Facebook's. It's a fine theory, but let's see the real numbers behind the Google Gang.

Or, rather, pretty charts. They're easier, right?

Here's the U.S. monthly visits for Facebook vs. destination social networks Orkut, Friendster, Plaxo and LinkedIn — all Google partners:

Here's the U.S. monthly visits for Facebook vs. some of Google's other varied new partners, Newsgator, Xing, Ning, and Salesforce.com. For the record, Xing and Ning are not related.

If I'm a developer, I'm still going to Facebook first. Google says these partners reach an audience of over 100 million users globally. But the problem is that all those users are in different networks. Viral success in one network won't necessarily spill over into another.

A better solution for Google? Rework its MySpace search and advertising contract on more favorable terms for News Corp., and in return, get MySpace to sign up for OpenSocial.

Look at what happens when you drop bottomfeeder Plaxo from the list of social networks and add MySpace instead:

The incentive for MySpace, of course, is that this solution would save News Corp. execs the hassle of looking up exactly what an open platform is, exactly. Or having to figure out how to look up definitions on the Internet. Or the Internet.

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Valleywag-317118 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:09:23 PDT Nicholas Carlson http://valleywag.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=317118&view=rss&microfeed=true